[Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Wed Jan 12 13:58:11 EST 2022

I've been following this discussion and I sat and watched Clare's
presentation the day it was happening (but left for class after about 40
minutes) and I tend to skim the articles because I am not in a public
library.  But I was just thinking today that I am in a public school and
thus a public school library.  Our exterior building doors are locked all
day.  We do not let anyone in, even if they ring the doorbell if they are
not a teacher or a student.  Not that I want to be included in an "audit"
but, in theory (or legally) are members of the public allowed to walk into
a public school at any time? Given that most of our students are minors, is
there something protecting them?

Would a children's or teen section of a public library be considered
off-limits because most of the patrons would be minors?

I'm thinking worst-case scenario here and thinking if there is a
possibility of this moving into public school library places??? Especially
with all the book challenges going on now.

Also, I do NOT have the US Constitution for Dummies...but I do have lots of
US Constitution books that are more research focused ;)

I think this audit experience would be kind of scary and intimidating.  I'm
sorry for those of you who have had negative experiences with this.

Best-
Klaudia

Klaudia Janek, MLIS

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On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:54 AM Steven K. Bowers via Michlib-l <
michlib-l at mcls.org> wrote:

> The Library of Michigan overview on 1st Amendment Audits was great:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVjKMtoMdp8
>
> Gives you a good background on what they are and how to deal with them.
> The key is to be real calm and basically not get riled up so that they are
> not interested and leave quickly.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> -Steve
>
> Steven K. Bowers
> Executive Director
> The Library Network
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Steven Kish" <skish at ltu.edu>
> Cc: "frudir" <frudir at llcoop.org>, "michlib-l at mcls.org" <Michlib-l at mcls.org
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:02:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit
>
> Perhaps this is something we should discuss at the director's meeting on
> friday.
>
> Amber McLain Library Director, Patmos Library
> (she/hers/hers)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steven Kish via Michlib-l <michlib-l at mcls.org>
> To: SF Director Account <frudir at llcoop.org>
> Cc: michlib-l <Michlib-l at mcls.org>
> Sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:52:26 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit
>
> I am curious if there is a governing body for these and who they are.
>
> As a former bank manager, I am not unfamiliar with being audited but there
> was always a governing body (either the bank itself or an official
> governmental body like the Office of the Comptroller of Currency) that was
> executing an audit for regulatory purposes. I am all for protecting patron
> privacy, but there is also an employee privacy issue to consider if an
> ungoverned third party is allowed unobstructed access to back of house
> operations. My employees were aware that there were cameras everywhere (it
> was a bank, after all) but we also knew for certain who had access to the
> images captured on those cameras and what they were used for.
>
> As for looking for certain items in a collection... it is the library's job
> to audit the collection, not some third party. There is a method and a
> process. I would have asked what data the auditors were using to determine
> that the requested item should be part of the collection. I would have also
> asked them both for ID, contact information and recorded it and asked them
> to clear it with the library's legal team before letting them access the
> facility.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Steven
>
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>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:38 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l <
> michlib-l at mcls.org> wrote:
>
> > Good morning,
> >
> > I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a
> > book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how
> > libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful
> > but anything else?
> >
> > Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.
> >
> > Matt Lubbers-Moore
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From: *"Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l at mcls.org>
> > *To: *"michlib-l" <michlib-l at mcls.org>
> > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM
> > *Subject: *[Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit
> >
> > Just had our first First Amendment Audit.  It went very well, actually.
> >
> > I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a
> > minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf
> > had no names showing, etc.
> > Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras.  I welcomed them from
> the
> > circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more
> > enthusiastically).  The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for
> > Dummies and we talked about that a little.
> >
> > I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and
> > film.  We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man
> started
> > that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the
> > public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment
> > of the library.
> >
> > We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just
> > fine.  They were here for about 15 minutes.  I won't lie - it felt like
> > longer.
> >
> > I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos
> > on YouTube,  many of which turned confrontational.  We were welcoming,
> > forthcoming, and really boring.  Score!
> >
> > Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when".  We might as well be
> > prepared.
> >
> > Have a great day!
> > Perri
> >
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